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My wife and I bought a rebuilt DS 22 two years ago from the original builder in Orissa ON. It has a one foot extension to the rudder that cures the original design problem of turning radically upwind in a quick blow - and thus terrifying all on board. Our swing keel has been sanded to metal and re-finished with epoxy to solve the rust problem - but still won't operate properly. Most DS 22 owners I know in the area just ignore it and make do with just the weighted keel, rationalizing away the lost upwind capability.Myself, I've learned to brave the icy dark depths of the Ottawa river each Spring (coated head to toe in neoprene) to free the swing keel with the aid of needlenose Vicegrips - they work perfectly on the first try. This provides the boat at least another 12-15% pointing ability and really makes me feel that we made a wonderful deal on this beauty.I didn't like the original boom and vang set-up so I modified it to fit my needs - and now it works great.Although a bit tender in the first 10 degrees of heel (like most trailerable boats) once she gets the bone in her teeth she'll happily charge all day with her toerail in the water. The excellent chainplate/bulkhead fitting arrangement gives one a confidence in the strength of the rigging that I don't have in most anything else this size I've sailed.We have the pop-up companionway hatch which makes moving around and setting up for dinner easier and we also have the full canvas 'tent' that adds so much liveable space to the interior when at anchor - only problem is that it is big, akward and can't be collapsed for sailing.
Instead it has to be completely disassembled and stowed in the forepeak. I would happily trade the canvas tent for a good dodger if anyone's interested.Depending on the price, I'm convinced the DS 22 is as good or better a buy than any other similar boat on the market.
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Rasing the mast on a DS22 with two people is pretty straight forward, scary but straight forward.Walking the mast far enough to stern to allow slipping the bottom of the mast to the mast step is a bit tricky as you're right at the maximum for balance. I don't suggest trying it with anyone under 6 feet tall.After the mast is stepped it's pretty easy to winch it up to about 45 degrees - just make sure whoever's on the winch knows how to tail it properly. After 45 degrees you can push it through to vertical pretty easy.I'm keen on getting a new Genoa and rigging the forestay with a furler. Does your boat have one? What brand and specs can you provide me to allow me to buy one over the phone and install it first thing this year? We only launched our '85 DS 22 on labour day last year and so only got two months sailing on Simcoe.
We have had the whole season this year, launched end of April just took it out regrettably last week-end. We are at marina with a lot of different 22' sail boats, all are envious (In a friendly way) of ours.
It is a really solid boat with a much higher feeboard than others, ensuring that you stay dry when others are taking a pounding. The pop top gives us over 6' headroom in the centre and we have a canvas 'tent' that goes around it with screens windows etc so that we can stay warm and dry if docked/anchored in bad weather. Storage space is amazing.We certainly have to reef and furl the genny in before most other boats but then we have manged to run at sustained GPS speeds of 6 - 6.5 knots reefed. Another boat sailing with us said that they had clocked us at 7 k but I think that was wishful thinking on their part.
All in all a tough fast boat that is a pleasure to sleep over on. I will take the advice above though and have a 1 foot extension put on the rudder, you certainly lose 'bite' on a sharp heel. I have owened a Vision 660/DS22 since 1995. We have sailed Lake Huron, North Channel, Georgian Bay and Ottawa River with no problems. I have found the boat to be very stable and forgiving.
We found when cruising we tended to sail with only the big Genoa reducing the heel and making for a comfortable ride. We have sailed in 2 metre waves with little problem The boat is very roomy and the pop-top is definitely a plus for cruising. I will be extending the rudder this spring to overcome the unintentional tacking in gusty conditions.The biggest problem we have had is with freshwater ingress either through fittings, the windows or the deck hull joint.
This has been an ongoing problem. I am looking at refitting the interior if anyone has any ideas.Overall a great performer and capable boat.Fred Eidt.
Vision 660 was the name of the first boats built. As I understand the history, this was a government funded project that didn't last long.Hermann Schwill (the S in DS) bought out the design in the early 80s and set up shop in Odessa Ontario where he built over 100 boats.I bought an '86 and I have to admit, I love it, as we do mostly cruising. In spite of a total lack of tuning and experience, we found ours to be reasonably quick against most other 22s, other than the pure racing types. It sure is a lot more comfortable and sturdy than most others.As with all trailerable boats, it is a little tender but with the centerboard, I feel more relaxed to explore shallow waters for anchorage, which is a major part of cruising fun.I would recommend three people to put up the mast in a safe and comfortable fashion. It is not that heavy, nor large, but that also means not much strength when horizontal and not supported by the shrouds. (IMHO: I would not use the mast for a winter tarp in heavy snow regions.) You want to be sure it is not too windy, to ensure it does not start to sway sideways, if you are only 2 people.MSS. I have not had a response from anyone on available extended rudders.I just sent off an e-mail to Herman Schwill who continues to repair and support the boats with the remaining parts he has.
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Herman also has the ability to make certain parts, as he still has the moulds. Perhaps he could do a run of the extended version rudders, if there is enough interest.I know I would be interested for particularly windy occasions, though generally, I would worry too much about grounding the rudder and causing extensive damage to it and the transom.The original rudder is the same depth as the fixed keel and gets through almost anywhere.A local DS22 owner had a new cabin top fabricated by Herman a couple of years back and it turned out great.MSS. Affordable Yachting is offering youthese forums free of charge with the sole purpose of promoting positive exchange between sailors.All the messages published on these forums are the sole responsibility of the author.Affordable Yachting and the members of is executive decline all responsibilities about thecontent and the nature of any messages published by the authors.If you feel that a message is abusive, defamatory or in any manners aggressive to you,please inform us so we can take the appropriate actions. Clic on the following link Report This Message in the options bellow the message.